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[Tolik_DOES]

Я сегодня купил баночку L-glutamine (Perpormance)
300 г за 26$
До этого я упротреблял только креатин.
Кто - то пробовал глютамин?
Можно ли его действие сравнить (по силе) с креатином?
Есть ли смысл принимать? (Мне уже поздно спрашивать - я уже купил..)
ИЛИ ЭТО ОЧЕРЕДНОЙ "ЧУДО - ПРОДУКТ" ?
А также, нужно ли делать перерывы в его приеме, как в креатине ?

[DIM. ON.]

Ничего не знаю ни про глютамин, ни про креатин, но хочу вот что сказать: я месяца 4 назад купил банку Твинлабовских витаминов. Пил 2 месяца, тонус поднялся, вроде... Полегче как-то стало... Потом прекратил. Уже 2 месяца не пью - лень в магазин ехать. Никаких изменений. Был небольшой спад по рабочим весам, но он, скорее всего, связан с погодой. Теперь по-прежнему витамины не пью, результаты растут, даже по жаре. Чувсивую себя хорошо, полон энергии. Оклимался... То же самое могу сказать про свои эксперименты с аминокислотами.

Вывод (мой личный): от подобного рода примочек, присадок и припарок эфеки - копеечный. А по деньгам - куда более серьёзный.

[Tolik_DOES]

Я не согласен, что эффект от креатина не стоит денег
- его на год можно накупить за 50 долларов.
Однако, на разные всех влияют по-разному.

Насчет питания - а у меня как раз есть проблемы.....
Дома ремонт- в холодильнике одни огурцы....
Много играю в мяч с друзьями.
(не в футбол, правда - в "квадрат")
Залы на август закрылись
За полмесяца 1 раз тренировался... объемы падают.......
ЗАХОЖУ В МАГАЗИН, ГОВОРЮ :" АНУ,......МАТЬ ДАЙТЕ МНЕ ЭТОГО ЯДУ.......
ТИПА, ГЛЮТАМИНА......"
КОРОЧЕ..МУЖИКИ ПОЧИТАЛ Я СТАТЕЙ ТОЛЬКО ЧТО - ГОВОРЯТ,
ЧТО ПОБОЧНЫХ ЭФФЕКТОВ НЕТУ ,А ДАЖЕ от креатина бывает понос
(у меня, правда, не было) и сильное действие на мышцы - восстанавливает гликоген и нагоняет
воду........
вобщем проверю я это зелье и сообщу....

[DIM. ON.]

Tolik_DOES

Да уж лучше консервы есть. Мясные, рыбные, овощные... А на это барахло лавэ не тратить. И холодильник не нужен.

[Solarway]

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Я не согласен, что эффект от креатина не стоит денег
- его на год можно накупить  за 50 долларов.

Ни хрена себе! Это ты где такие цены откопал? Я Optimum брал, 600гр за 950р!!! Сказочник, однако!

[Tolik_DOES]

Я ИМЕЛ В ВИДУ - КРЕАТИНА НА ГОД ХВАТАЕТ (МНЕ ) 2 БАНКИ ПО 500 Г.
КАЖДАЯ - 24 ДОЛЛАРА. ЧТО НЕ ТАК?

[Solarway]

Просто ОЧЕНЬ низкая цена! а в остальном все понятно!

[Slon]

Я эффекта глутамина не чувствовал совсем. Ни на что. Увеличивал дозу - все равно. Ни время восстановления, ни субьективные ощущения, ничего. А вот креатин на меня действует. Я был скептиком и не ожидал ничего особенного, но каждый раз как я его начинаю принимать - сила увеличивается заметно...
На самом деле показано, что (по-моему) 25% людей нечувствительны к креатину... я думаю, есть нечувствительные и к глутамину тоже...

[Slon]

Владимир,
а ты мясо ешь?
Там такая же химия. Белки, состоящие из аминокислот. Да ещё и гормоны есть! Теперь коров такой херней откармливают для быстрого привеса, мало не покажется. Про антибиотики я уж умолчу.

[Slon]

Chitaite klassikov. Ssylki prilagajutsa.


http://www.t-mag.com...dy_230glut.html
http://www.t-mag.com...dy_231glut.html

[VLADIMIR S]

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Ок, что ни есть химия? Витамины - химия? В огороде не растет... Есть разница между честной и нечестной химией?

Всё правильно есть честный вор а есть не честный
Хотя честней было бы признать что здесь все химики ,просто на разных стадиях.....
И давайте закончим об этом

[RESEDent***]

Категорически не согласен. итак, все плохиши. Все кругом прохимичены. Э-э-э, да ты верно не видел химиков.
Согласен в том, что современный спорт не возможен без фармакологии. От футбола до шахмат (там народ тоже стимуляторы хавает, гинкго билоба например). Но вот так обвинять всех в том, что человек принимая молоко, которое содержит белочек, автоматически становится химиком...
Это тоже самое, что говорить, будто все, кто берет в руки штангу, идут против природы, потому что человек от природы тщедушен и с животиком... Должен лежать на диване и кушать морковку.
Химия - есть химия, она опасна и запрещена. А если у нас уже креатин - химия, протеин тоже, а энергетики - вообще разврат, well...
Лучше всего тогда пастись на лугу и щипать травку, это точно не химия.

[VLADIMIR S]

Да я вообще ни чего не видел .
Но вот передёргивать не надо говорим о креатине глютамине а не омолоке.
Хорошо назови несколько отличий креатина от деки (в производстве и в свойствах в т.ч на организм)
И я пойду спать , а то итак избитая и уже не интересная тема......

[Slon]

http://www.bodybuild.../aacreatine.htm

[VLADIMIR S]

Slon
Проверь что то не грузится
http://www.bodybuild.../aacreatine.htm

[Slon]

Stranno. U menja vse gruzitsa.
Nu da ladno...


Introduction
In 1832, creatine was discovered by Chevreul, a French scientist. Since its discovery, creatine has fascinated scientists with its integral role in skeletal muscle metabolism. A natural substance found in the body that plays a powerful role in energy production and muscular contractions. Recently, creatine supplementation exploded onto the sports scene, showing up in lockers and gym bags in virtually every major sport and physical activity. Athletes use creatine as a dietary supplement to enhance athletic performance and training programs on a daily basis. Just some of the fantastic benefits being reported by athletes and fitness enthusiasts around the world include: more powerful muscle contractions, increased explosiveness, faster muscle recovery, less fatigue, increased weight gain, and increased muscle size.
But as with other substances that enhance performance, along come concerns and criticisms. Creatine is one of the most extensively researched nutrients in sports performance. But creatine is also one of the most misunderstood. Designed to provide an in depth explanation of creatine monohydrate, this booklet will outline creatine's function, benefit, and effectiveness as a dietary supplement, as well as the differences from one product to another.

Creatine Monohydrate-The Early Years:
After Chevreul's discovery of creatine in 1832, another scientist - Lieberg - confirmed that creatine was a regular constituent of flesh extracted from mammals. His extensive research in 1847 with wild foxes concluded that muscle work involves an accumulation of creatine. Around this time, Researchers Heintz and Pettenkofer discovered a substance in urine called "creatinine". It was speculated that creatinine was from the creatine stored in muscles.

Early in the 20th century scientists were conducting numerous studies with creatine supplementation. It was observed that not all of the creatine ingested by both animals and humans could be recovered in the urine, which suggested that some of the creatine was retained in the body. Researchers Folin and Denis (1912 and 1914) determined that the supplemental creatine had increased the creatine content of the muscle cells. In cats, the increases in muscle tissue was observed to be up to 70% after creatine ingestion. By 1923, Hahn and Meyer had estimated the total creatine content of a 70 kg (154 lb.) male to be approximately 140 grams.

1n 1927, Researchers Fiske and Subbarow discovered "phosphocreatine" which was creatine and phosphate molecules chemically bound together and stored in the muscle tissue. Free form creatine and phosphorylated phosphocreatine are recognized as key intermediates of skeletal muscle metabolism.

Modern research on creatine supplementation has examined the role of creatine in muscle metabolism, the breakdown and resynthesis of adenosine triphosphate (ATP), and phosphocreatine during exercise in humans. It has been determined that phosphocreatine stores in muscle tissue can be increased by more than 20% following a regimen of creatine supplementation.

What is Creatine?
Creatine is an essential, natural substance required for energy metabolism, muscular movement and human existence. Creatine is as essential to life as protein, carbohydrates, fats, vitamins and minerals. Creatine deficiencies have been associated with certain physical-muscular disorders that can be fatal in humans and animals.

The human body synthesizes creatine from 3 amino acids: glycine, arginine, and methionine. These amino acids are components of protein. In humans, the enzymes involved in the synthesis of creatine are located in the liver, pancreas and kidneys. Creatine can be produced in any of these organs and then transported into the muscle via the bloodstream. Approximately 95% of the total creatine pool is stored in skeletal muscle tissue. The remaining 5% can be found in the heart, brain and testes. As stated earlier, it is estimated that a 70 kg (154 lbs.) male will have a total creatine pool of approximately 140 grams in his body.

The total creatine pool in humans refers to the combined amount of creatine in its free form and phosphocreatine form. In skeletal muscle tissue, phosphocreatine accounts for two-thirds of the total creatine pool, with free form creatine making up the balance. In the absence of exogenous (from the diet) creatine, the rate of creatine excreted in the form of creatinine has been estimated to be around 1.6% per day in humans. Thus, with a bodyweight of 70kg (154 lbs.) and a total creatine pool of 140 grams, a human will lose approximately 2 grams of creatine per day from normal everyday activity. This turnover of creatine will increase with greater physical activity and must be replaced by the diet or the body's own natural production.

Dietary creatine is found mostly in meat, fish and other animal products. Plants contain only trace amounts. The average daily diet of meats and vegetables contains an estimated creatine level of 1 gram. As only some of the daily requirement of creatine can be attained from diet, the body must synthesize the rest. A vegetarian's daily requirement for creatine can only be achieved by endogenous (from within the body) synthesis via the enzyme GAMT.

The effect of aging on the level of free form creatine and phosphocreatine has been studied by Moller and colleagues at the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm. Interestingly, there were no differences in the total creatine levels between a group of elderly (aged 52 to 79) and young (aged 18 to 36). But the study did reveal that the younger participants had higher phosphocreatine levels than did the older group. Such differences can be attributed to the greater level of activity in the younger group.

Approximate creatine levels in food (grams of creatine per 1000 grams of food source)

Food Type Creatine Content (g/kg)
Shrimp trace
Cod 3
Herring 6.5-10
Salmon 4.5
Tuna 4
Beef 4.5
Pork 5
Milk 0.1
Cranberries 0.02

How Does Creatine Work?
Creatine plays a very powerful role in energy metabolism as a muscle fuel. The immediate energy source for a skeletal muscle contraction is from a molecule called ATP (adenosine triphosphate). All fuel sources, carbohydrates, fats and protein are first converted through various chemical reactions to ATP which is then available as the only molecule the body uses for energy. Everything must be first converted to ATP before it can be used as fuel.

ATP is a simple chemical consisting of one molecule of adenosine and three molecules of phosphate. When ATP releases its energy to fuel muscle contractions, a phosphate group is split off and a new molecule is formed called ADP (adenosine diphosphate). This reaction is reversible by the energy-rich compound phosphocreatine. Phosphocreatine delivers a phosphate group to ADP resynthesizing it back into an ATP molecule, thus making it ready again to release energy to fuel continued muscle contractions. The remaining free form creatine is accumulated in the active muscles and then rephosphorylated back into phosphocreatine.

During a brief period of high intensity exercise, the ATP demand in the working muscles increases significantly to several hundred times higher versus when at rest. High intensity exercise can totally deplete phosphocreatine stores within 10 seconds. The depleted stores of ATP and phosphocreatine must be steadily replenished in order for muscular contractions to continue at peak levels of frequency and intensity.



Creatine supplementation:
Oral supplementation of creatine monohydrate has been shown in several studies to increase the total creatine pool. Optimum daily dosages varied widely from individual to individual, but not significantly from trained to untrained subjects. One study using a single dosage of 5 grams showed a rise in plasma creatine levels from 50 to 100 µmol/L to over 500 µmol/L within 1 hour after ingestion. And recent studies have examined the administration of creatine monohydrate in varying dosages over different periods of time.

An initial loading phase of 4 to 6 dosages of 5 grams each for 3 days showed a significant increase in the total creatine pool. But it also showed that there exists an upper limit of creatine which can be stored in muscle. For most subjects, this upper limit seems to be around 160 mmol/kg (kg dm). One recent study concluded that after 6 days of creatine administration of 0.3 grams per day per kilogram of bodyweight maintained maximum total creatine levels for a subsequent 4-week period, during which time the dosage was reduced to 0.03 grams per day per kilogram of bodyweight.

For example, a 70 kg (154lb.) person loading 0.3 grams per day per kg. (21 grams of creatine monohydrate) for six days, followed by a 4 week maintenance phase of 0.03 grams per day per kg. (2.1 grams of creatine monohydrate) per day, may maintain maximum total creatine levels in muscle tissue.

It is currently unclear the mechanisms influencing creatine uptake by the cells from the bloodstream but several factors have been noted that effect creatine uptake. Creatine uptake in exercised muscle has been found to be higher than in non-exercised muscle. So, it may be concluded that a trained muscle will have a greater potential for creatine uptake than a non-trained muscle. Creatine uptake may also be enhanced when administered with a carbohydrate solution. The rise in blood sugar levels causes an insulin reaction, which increases the uptake of glucose into the muscle tissue. The increased release of insulin may also increase the uptake of creatine into the muscle tissue along with glucose.

Creatine supplementation and Athletic Performance
Creatine supplementation has been shown to enhance the ability to maintain power output during repeated periods of high intensity exercise. Athletes in virtually every sport have reported improved athletic performance. For instance, greater home run production by baseball players, increased strength and power by football players, faster times by sprinters, and longer lasting energy by basketball players. When used properly, most athletes will experience a significant increase in strength and power.

Creatine supplementation in controlled scientific studies in amounts as high as 20 grams per day have been shown to enhance the body's ability to maintain power output during frequent and intense exercise. Sports involving short bursts of energy - like multiple sprint sports - seem to experience the greatest benefit of improved athletic performance. Another benefit of creatine supplementation for athletes may be when high intensity exercise is combined with lower intensity exercise or rest. Team sports such as baseball, basketball, football, hockey and individual sports like wrestling, tennis, track and field and sprinting all consist of short explosive muscle contractions followed by short periods of rest or recovery periods. ATP stores are depleted and replenished by the utilization of the phosphocreatine and creatine stores in the muscle. The greater the total creatine pool, the greater the efficiency of the ATP/CP energy cycle.

Creatine supplementation and Muscle Building
Creatine supplementation can help the athlete train harder for a longer period of time. Therefore, increased intensity of muscle training will generate faster muscle growth and strength. An example of increased intensity of muscle training can be found in a study done by Conrad Earnest and co-workers. The study was conducted on weight trainers at Texas Southwestern Medical Center and The Cooper Clinic in Dallas, Texas. Creatine supplementation and maximum strength was measured in experienced athletes who consumed 20 grams of creatine per day for 28 days. The average increase in bench press strength was 18 lbs. The average bench press repetitions each athlete could perform at a weight equaling 70% of their 1-rep. maximum increased from 11 reps to 15 reps. The subjects in this study also increased lean mass an average of 3.5 lbs over the 28 day period. Increases in lean muscle tissue verses water retention was observed and attributed to increased muscle overload and greater muscle tissue growth stimulation.

At what age can a person start using creatine monohydrate?
Generally, there is no age limitation for safe creatine supplementation. In fact, there are some children who suffer from an inborn gene defect called GAMT deficiency. These children are treated with dietary creatine supplementation. The question of safe creatine supplementation for children should be answered by the parent considering creatine. The question of healthy competition and pressure placed on children to improve their athletic performance needs to remain in healthy balance with the spirit of sport and the self confidence the child achieves. The second consideration is in the physical development of the young individual. It is our recommendation that unless prescribed by a medical doctor, creatine supplementation should only be used by adults. Athletes should understand that creatine supplementation is only a part of a training and diet routine, and not a substitute for proper training and dietary habits.

Creatine supplementation-Dosages
WWhile there have been many creatine supplementation studies done with various dosage amounts, there has not been an exact amount determined to be optimum. Generally the dosage of creatine monohydrate should be as high as necessary, but as low as possible to be effective. The scientific studies with dosages of 5 to 10 grams per day are effective, but many athletes have taken greater than 10 grams per day with no adverse side effects. The body has an upper limit as to how much creatine can be stored in the muscle tissue. Therefore, an initial loading phase is used to fill the creatine pool, followed by a maintenance phase to replenish the lost creatine. A period of no supplementation would allow the body to readjust to synthesizing creatine again after supplementation.

As for general guidelines we recommend for strength athletes the following:

20 grams per day for 3 days
5 grams per day for the next 8 weeks
followed by 4 weeks off with no supplementation
then repeat the cycle again

The above dosage amounts are offered as a guideline to loading and maintenance procedures. Until more scientific research is conducted on the varying dosages pertaining to lean body weight and the specific activity performed by the athlete, we do not recommend exceeding the amounts recommended above. Athletes may start a creatine supplementation program with lower dosages and monitor improvements in performance. Remember, more is not necessarily better. Too much creatine will only be excreted in the urine.

Are there Side Effects
There have been no indications of adverse side effects from long term creatine usage in existing creatine literature. Currently, long term studies are under way to try and measure the effects of long term chronic use. Until these studies are completed, excessive creatine supplementation should not occur.

Creatine that is not stored in the total creatine pool, as either creatine or phosphocreatine, is processed out of the body by the kidneys as creatinine. Creatinine is a natural by-product of creatine production and considered a waste product by the body. Creatine supplementation in excess of the required amount needed to saturate the creatine pool is processed out of the body through the kidneys in the same manner.

What about muscle cramps?
There has been a great deal of attention to the issue of muscle cramps and creatine usage. It has been proposed by some athletes and sports professionals that there may exist a possible association of creatine supplementation and the increased incidence of muscle cramps. To date, research has not shown association between pure creatine monohydrate supplementation and muscle cramps. The main cause of muscle cramps is an imbalance of the electrolytes, calcium and magnesium in the blood or the muscle tissue stemming from insufficient fluid intake. Thus, creatine monohydrate users should use only creatine monohydrate free of impurities while also consuming a minimum of 2 liters of water per day up to as much as 5 liters per day depending on the duration and intensity of the exercise.

It is possible to prevent muscle cramping by consuming sufficient amounts of fluids and isotonic electrolyte drinks prior to, during, and after exercise. A balanced diet will also contribute trace elements, vitamins and minerals which are key to efficient metabolism and electrolyte balance. The bottom line is that lack of sufficient fluid intake and/or nutritional deficiencies cause cramping, and not creatine at reasonable doses.

Are there differences in Creatine supplements?
Pure creatine monohydrate is a fine white, tasteless, odorless powder that disperses easily in water. While many creatine products look exactly alike, there may exist major differences in the quality of the products. Creatine monohydrate is produced by reacting sarcosine sodium salt, a derivative of acetic acid with cyanamide, an organic amide. Using inferior starting raw materials or incomplete reactions can lead to the presence of impurities. There are three known impurities that may exist in inferior creatine monohydrate products: creatinine, dicyandiamide, dihydrotriazine.

Creatinine is a by-product of creatine production. Ingested creatinine is waste for the body and is excreted by the kidneys. While most likely not harmful, your body excretes this as waste, there is no reason why you should ingest more of a waste product.

Dicyandiamide is a by-product of creatine production. Ingested dicyandiamide is waste for the body and excreted by the kidneys. Again, while it may not be harmful to your body, it is of no benefit and must be processed out by the kidneys. You do not want this in your creatine product.

Dihydrotriazine (derivative) is often found in various creatine products. This substance is an impurity of non-optimized creatine production and consequently widely spread over creatine products. Dihydrotriazine is a compound with unknown pharmaceutical and toxicological properties. You definitely do not want a substance in your body that has not been studied for toxicity.

How can these impurities exist in creatine products if the test result states 99% pure?
Creatine monohydrate consists of creatine and water. Up to 12% of the creatine monohydrate molecule is water. Water stabilizes the creatine and makes it bioavailable to the body. Testing against the creatine standard is accomplished by using a method called High Performance Liquid Chromatography (HPLC). The majority of companies only conduct this test for creatine. They do not test for creatinine, dicyandiamide, or dihydrotriazine. Furthermore, there is a margin of error of 4% or - on creatine tests. Therefore, a creatine monohydrate product that boasts a purity level of 99.9% pure may only be telling the purity story and not the facts about impurities.

How to tell if it's a high-quality creatine monohydrate product?
SKW Trostberg AG, a German chemical and natural products manufacturing company is the patent processing holder and leading manufacturer of creatine products in the world. SKW Trostberg AG produces creatine monohydrate and creatine pyruvate under the trademarked name - CREAPURE™.

CREAPURE™ products are produced exclusively by SKW Trostberg AG in Germany. All material is certified for its top quality and purity. CREAPURE™ is guaranteed to be free of impurities and by-products, creatinine (CRN), dicyandiamide (DCD) and dihydrotriazine (DHT), according to present analytical methods.

All finished product undergoes rigid HPLC testing for purity against a creatine monohydrate standard. Under this testing procedure, creatine monohydrate will typically score from 98-102% pure. This purity test is the only test the majority of companies will conduct on their product. SKW's finished product is further tested for impurities that would indicate product instability, degradation and breakdown. Breakdown causes formation of impurities common to incomplete synthesis. Industrial grade raw materials used in creatine monohydrate processing will also result in the formation and build up of impurities like dicyandiamide, dihydrotriazine and creatinine.

SKW Trostberg AG has extensively researched and analyzed creatine monohydrate products available on the market. Creatine products from every manufacturer and distributor in the world were tested for by-products and impurities: creatinine, dicyandiamide, and dihydrotriazine. The only product that has tested consistently the best is CREAPURE™ creatine monohydrate from SKW Trostberg AG.

Other Medical Uses for Creatine:
Creatine is a critical energy intermediary to the production of ATP and muscular energy. It is essential to life because abnormalities or deficiencies may lead to related health problems. Creatine has been researched in several ways that are not sports orientated. Under medical supervision, creatine monohydrate supplementation has been utilized to treat certain physiological and physical disorders as well as being used to help special populations with special needs. For example:

Creatine supplementation has shown a positive effect on the reduction of plasma total cholesterol, triacylglycerois and VLDL.

Creatine has been found to possess anti-inflammatory activity on acute inflammation, local irritancy and chronic inflammation conditions (i.e. arthritic conditions).

The creatine/phosphocreatine system seems to have a protective effect on the nervous system and central nervous system under ischemic and hypoxic conditions.

An inborn birth defect call guanidinoacetate-methyltranferase (GAMT) which leads to a creatine deficiency in the brain and correlated to mental and muscular retardation is treated through oral creatine supplementation.

Creatine supplementation is used to treat diseases that involve muscle atrophy, creatine depletion and neuro-muscular disorders.

Creatine has been used to improve the symptoms of gyrate atrophy, a hereditary and very complex dystrophic eye disease that causes an enzyme inhibition of the creatine bio-synthesis.

Creatine is being researched for its possible benefits in inhibiting the growth of certain types of tumors in mammals.

Creatine supplementation has been shown to positively effect athletic performance of vegetarians.

During chronic heart failure cardiac creatine levels are depressed. Creatine supplementation to patients with chronic heart failure increases skeletal muscle energy-rich phosphocreatine and performance in regards to strength and endurance.

Conclusion:
Essential to life, health, and well-being, creatine is a unique and somewhat miraculous substance. Scientific studies support the anecdotal testimonials to the improvements in sports performance and overall energy levels. Proper usage can lead to positive effects. The important considerations for all consumers is the safe and proper dosage of a high quality source of creatine. Creatine is a great addition to an athletes training regime and, as researchers may soon show, beneficial for the non-athletes health as well.

[VLADIMIR S]

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[Eva]

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Tolik_DOES

Чтобы воду зря не лить, подождем ответа специалиста по глютамину ЕВУ...

всем привет !
Шансон помнит, с какой любовью я о глютамине отзывалась на нашем форуме ... Мы же его и креатин уже весьма обсудили . ....
Я- ЗА Глютамин !
И даже не знаю, надо ли в тридцать седьмой раз говорить о этой волшебной аминокислоте, она в нас, культуристах, и в остальных- некультуристах есть среди остальных 20 , из которых все наши белки, и потом еще всякие обменные процессы, и это все магическим образом взаимосвязано ... ой...
когда мы испытываем стресс душевный, или телесный- на тренировках- как раз Глютаминка нам и нужна особенно, и как раз в такие моменты она медленней производится...
а про химию-НЕхимию - тоже выясняли ... Не все то химия, что в баночке.
Мне столько приходиться слышать ерунды- ой,культуристы- химия, силы нет, все вред ... тренировки вредны, потому что нагрузки, витамины- это химия.... поэтому вредны... Я у таких людей спрашиваю- вот вы так заботитесь о себе, что даже в спортзал не ходите, может , вы еще и водку не пьете ?

[Tolik_DOES]

Eva ,
спасибо за комментарий, но я хотел бы также услышать комментарий от мужчины, который принимал глютамин и получил эффект. Вот ты говоришь - волшебная аминокислота..... А у тебя от нее выросли мышцы или сила ?.... .... .... У тебя ведь, наверное несколько други цели.......

[shanson]

Tolik_DOES
Женщин слушать надо - они сердцем видят.
А хочешь послушать от мужчины совет - почитай еще разок, что Ева написала. Добавлю, что от одной банки глютамина ты не фига не почувствуешь и даже от двух. Глютамин хорошо восстанавливает мышцы после интенсивного тренинга но не пампинга. Также укрепляет имунную систему, помогая не доводить себя до синдрома усталости. Но на рост мыщц никак не влияет. Впрочем как и креатин, который хорош на короткий промежуток времени (например перед соревнованиями). Все это добавки, которые помогают жратве построить какие то мышцы. Ну а форум и создан для того, чтовы фильтровать (если мозгов хватает) информацию от горе-культуристах и знающих, опытных людей, которые если говорят, то знают о чем речь

[ARES]

По поему надо большие дозы глютамина кушать, чтобы эффект был.
Я ел где-то 4-6 таблеток за день , что где то 1-1,5 г, эффекта никакого не чувствовал.
Хотя может мой глютамин не такой, я брал в аптеке глютаминовую кислоту, а не порошком в спортивном питании.

[Slon]

ARES,
glutaminovaja kislota - eto ne glutamin.

[Eva]

ARES
дозы кушать.. при чем- после честной !!!!! тренировки !
и не кислоту синенького цвета из аптеки, это не тот Глютамин !
вообще, можно было создавать не тему- клон, а опрос, раз уж так важно мнение общественности...
кто сколько занимается.
кто насколько серьезно занимается- тренировки питание.
и вот! кто из этих людей принимал глютамин .
и что получилось .
а то- вам Чайковский нравится ?
-нет...
-А что так?
- а мне напели- не понравилось....

[Slon]

Posmotrite, komu interesno....

http://www.ncbi.nlm....om_uid=11834123

kstati, glutamin mozhet byt' nebezopasen (neurotoxic):

http://www.ncbi.nlm....3&dopt=Abstract

Tak chto - ne dlja menja....

[ARES]

Вот, все таки не зря тему подняли, таперь хоть деньги сэкономлю, а то я оказывается еще не то кушаю, ( кстати таблетки не синенькие, а беленькие ).
Eva
А если не трудно, можно объяснить чем отличается глютамин от той глютаминовой кислоты , что я ем?
буду признателен

[Slon]

ARES,
Синенькие - это ВИАГРА!
Ева, аминокислоты синими НЕ бывают... Вас обманули!

[Tolik_DOES]

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Tolik_DOES
Женщин слушать надо - они сердцем видят.
А хочешь послушать от мужчины совет - почитай еще разок, что Ева написала. Добавлю, что от одной банки глютамина ты не фига не почувствуешь и даже от двух. Глютамин хорошо восстанавливает мышцы после интенсивного тренинга но не пампинга. Также укрепляет имунную систему, помогая не доводить себя до синдрома усталости. Но на рост мыщц никак не влияет. Впрочем как и креатин, который хорош на короткий промежуток времени (например перед соревнованиями). Все это добавки, которые помогают жратве построить какие то мышцы. Ну а форум и создан для того, чтовы фильтровать (если мозгов хватает) информацию от горе-культуристах и знающих, опытных людей, которые если говорят, то знают о чем речь

Уважаемый Слон!
Если от одной банки глютамина эффект =0, то от десяти 10Х0 = 0 .......
Но я это проверю - уже 3 чайные ложки слопал!.........
Кроме того, если нужно для эффекта сьесть 10 банок глютамина, то это 260 долларов....
Это существенно.
Еще: От креатина эффект хороший. Просто надо делать перерывы в его приеме.
Т.к. его действие затепляется через 1.5 - 2 мес. Таким образом, 1 кг хватает на год.
Я сейчас, как раз, делаю перерыв. банка у меня уже есть - начну кушать 15 го августа.

Пампинг у меня может произойти только случайно, поскольку я тренируюсь с большими (для меня ) весами, а не "закачиваюсь"... Правда, отжимаюсь от пола иногда..

[Tolik_DOES]

Я опечатался: "Т.к. его действие затУпляется через 1.5 - 2 мес."

[Eva]

ARES
аптечная глютаминовая кислота- таблетки со светло-голубеньким покрытием ....

Slon
аха, Вас обманули, Вам дали гораздо лучший мех, (сказал Остап Бендер)
говорим не о цвете кислоты в чистом виде ведь.... витамин С- аскорбиновая кислота - тоже не круглая и оранжевая сама по себе
про цвет Виагры не знаю, к стати...

По действию глютамин с глютаминовой кислотой отличаются друг от друга.
Способностью включаться в обмен обладают лишь L-формы аминокислот. D-формы не только не включаются в обмен, но и могут оказывать токсическое действие. В медицинской практике используются только L-формы.
Глютамин-для нормализации уровня сахара, повышения работоспособности мозга, при лечении импотенции,алкоголизма, помогает бороться с усталостью, мозговыми расстройствами - эпилепсией, шизофренией и просто заторможенностью, нужен при лечении язвы желудка, и формирование здорового пищеварительного тракта.
L-Глютамин — питательное вещество, необходимое для улучшенияумственных способностей. Он считается “горючим” для мозга.В мозге глютамин преобразуется в глютаминовую кислоту, важную для функции мозга, и наоборот.
L-Глютаминовая кислота нейтрализует вредные продукты белкового обмена: она связывается с аммиаком и образует глютамин .
L-Глютамин — уникальная аминокислота, каждая его молекула содержит не одну, а две аминогруппы. Поэтому при синтезе глютаминав организме происходит связывание токсичного аммиака.
L-Г оказывает положительное воздействие на слизистую оболочку тонкой и толстой кишки. Поэтому ее используют при лечении язв, гастритов, и чего-то там еще. L-Глютамин препятствует жировому перерождению печени, и его используют при лечении ранних стадий цирроза.
Оказывает поддержку имунной системе , и , конечно, стимулирует !синтез! белка ! в мышцах.
http://www.user.city...skurs.htm#amino тут еще и про витамины.

[Slon]

Толик - дай знать, какой эффект будет у тебя от глутамина.
Ева - да я тоже Виагру в руках не держал, но не слышать из рекламы про "Blue Pill" невозможно...
Насчёт "лучшего меха" - это хорошо.